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Critical Uncertainties's avatar

A good case study would be the struggle between the TERF and post modernist feminists.

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Paula Wright's avatar

Yes. I hypothesise that feminism is the main arena for female intrasexual competition for elite women to control the fertility of other women. Feminism has done more to suppress female reproductive fitness than any 'patriarchy'. Ill be writing about this soon.

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Josie's avatar

Eh. Idk if I buy the idea that just because it appears that may be a side effect this is somehow the root motivation for these women. I feel like their motivation is to seek power, influence, wealth, status - to make it easier for themselves & members of their sex class to do so. Kids are a distraction from that lol. This is their version of empowerment & they believe kids hold them back from that. I think these are women who don’t like or value children that much.

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Paula Wright's avatar

It's not a conscious motivation it's an ultimate evolutionary motivation. Which is what I mean when I write " So, are women ignorant? I doubt many would want to admit to that, though most (though not all) are ignorant of the fact that, in terms of proximate and ultimate explanations, the right-hand often does not know what the left-hand is doing."

Most people are ignorant of proximate and ultimate motivations. There's a link to explain them in the post

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Josie's avatar

I apologize I believe I was responding to a mistaken point I thought you had made (perhaps on Twitter) regarding women trying to prevent each other to reproduce. Idk why I thought this was a point you were making but alas I misread things sometimes

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Josie's avatar

My brain is not always functioning optimally lol

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Josie's avatar

*to a point I had mistakenly thought you had made

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Paula Wright's avatar

"Power" is a proximate motivation to do something. You don't seek power to do nothing with it.

e,g,: Evolution created the proximate sense of hunger to fulfill the ultimate evolutionary goal of eating so we don't die.

Similarly, it created our libido to make us want to have sex with the ultimate evolutionary goal of reproducing.

All competition is to rob the enemy of some facet of evolutionary fitness, whether we realise it or not.

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Bob's avatar

There must be positive sum games women play, perhaps with relatives? Christianity spread positive sum games for men beyond the kin group. Can we do that for women?

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Harry's avatar

What would be some good examples, hypothetical or realized, of a woman competing in harmony with her nature while doing so for a noble ends and via noble means? Or…is my question oversimplified by my word “noble”?

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Harry's avatar

More specific: How could Hilary Clinton have acted and spoken better about Tulsi?

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Paula Wright's avatar

She could have provided evidence. 8

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Anonymous Dude's avatar

Right. The same rationalist toolbox works for dismantling a female politician's claims as a male one's--but if you use it they can charge you with sexism.

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Harry's avatar

Good and perfect point. Thank you Paula.

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Henry Solospiritus's avatar

Burn down the longhouse!

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Jonathon's avatar

“Covert female intrasexual competition” is just unpleasant women being nasty to each other and trying to avoid the consequences because their innate biological weakness renders them less physically and cognitively able than men to predict and deal with the outcome. If they were able then they wouldn’t be unpleasant to each other and “sis” would mutatis mutandis be emotionally equivalent to “bro” and convey the same implication of trust.

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Bob's avatar

Female intrasexual competition is covert because escalation is potentially very costly. Harem politics includes murdered infants and children.

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Anonymous Dude's avatar

I think it's more that women play the same dirty games men do, but feminists made it 'sexist' to call that out if it's a woman doing it.

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